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    Airshow 2017

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    Taken with my new bad boy combo. A6000 + Sigma 150-500mm lens
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    I am not a liker of flying except for going up in a chopper.
    But because I am not a liker of flying I have a love of taking shots of planes when I can.
    The 1st shot being the water plane sorry about not knowing the name. But about a 2 and a half hours drive from home is a lake.
    In that lake they trained pilots how to fly the water planes for the war. I think they are called Cataleena's.
    And this is a plane I would love to go for a ride in.

    I think you have got a good eye for the plane taking as I really enjoyed looking at your shots.
    I could not be nasty and pick a favourite shot. I think each on its own merits is a winner.
    And I really say thanks for posting these.
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    Cheers Gramps. Yes you are correct the flying boat is a Catalina. Its quite a graceful and quiet plane really. I hope to get to grips with this new lens again soon as its quite a handful especially after tracking a plane for sometime. I think it might build up my biceps. its nice also to get sharpe pictures of distant planes because I'm not at the max zoom.

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    Amazing shots Dave. Shows the value of having a long range lens. Were there any Tiger Moths at the show??
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    Taken with my new bad boy combo. A6000 + Sigma 150-500mm lens
    Is the Sigma an A mount used with an adapter ? How do you find focussing on moving targets ?
    These photos are excellent

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    Hi Mike. Yes they have got some resident Tiger moths at the collection. I,ll sort some photos of them out .
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    Hi Darren. Yes its an A mount coupled with the LA-4EA adaptor.Focusing on the whole was quite good but on occasions it did hunt. Its not the fastest at focusing. I think the next show has some Jets so that may be a challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saint dave View Post
    Hi Darren. Yes its an A mount coupled with the LA-4EA adaptor.Focusing on the whole was quite good but on occasions it did hunt. Its not the fastest at focusing. I think the next show has some Jets so that may be a challenge.
    I'm toying with a Sigma 150-600mm (Canon mount) and the Sigma MC-11 to give me a nice long reach . Probably wont photograph anything as fast as a jet though

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    A few more

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint dave View Post
    A few more

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    They are excellent , the reviews i read on that lens weren't very positive you can certainly make it work .
    Food for thought

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    I have to ask, but what is the red plane.
    I looks like it is a real fast one and if I had to name it this would be the Mustang.
    Really enjoying your shots.
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    Hi Gramps. Thanks for the remarks. Here is info on the red plane.http://www.shuttleworth.org/collection/dh88comet/
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    Amazing captures, and I agree that red plane looks crazy fast I love the close up detail and the action in the first set. Awesome work and thanks for sharing!

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    Thanks for the info on the plane. To me its got the looks of beauty.
    I know some my think I am just crazy but I do like how it looks.
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    I believe the Comet is the last example flying now. They only built 5. It is a lovely plane.

    Also one for Mike. DH Tiger Moth taken last year. The silver and red one. K-2585

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    Thanks for that info Saint Dave.
    I really like the shape of this and I am not a model builder but I like the look of this one and I might see if I can find one of it and then do it.
    Also I would have to look for the C5 I think its called. Its that big bugger. I love that look it has in the air and the ground.
    Such a big plane that has the look.
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    Hi Dave,

    I will be attending an airshow soon and was wondering at which focal are you typically working within the 150-500mm range?

    Are you trying to fill the frame or leaving plenty of negative space around to crop?

    To avoid auto-focus hunting, have you tried manual focus set to reach infinity (i.e. hyperfocal distance) and not touching focus thereafter?

    Great pictures by the way!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leuius View Post
    Hi Dave,

    I will be attending an airshow soon and was wondering at which focal are you typically working within the 150-500mm range?

    Are you trying to fill the frame or leaving plenty of negative space around to crop?

    To avoid auto-focus hunting, have you tried manual focus set to reach infinity (i.e. hyperfocal distance) and not touching focus thereafter?

    Great pictures by the way!!

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    Hi Stef. Thanks for the comments. Not done any manual focusing with it, so cant comment on that. The focal lengths range between 300mm to 500mm on A6000. I dont know how close you are able to get to the flight line out there but we are lucky they have relaxed the extra distance the powers to be put in place after a major accident in 2015. Here are some more shots with focal length applied.
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    Thanks for the Tiger Moth Photo!!!
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    A few more from another airshow.

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    Fantastic as always Dave I just can't get over how much these planes look like models. Maticoulus condition, and perfect captures make all the difference!!

    Thanks for sharing,
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    The Hawker Fury is such a beautiful biplane, great catch! and the frontal view of the PBY is a great shot!!
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    Thanks for the comments guys. Its great to see our past in the skies, maybe not for the reasons they were built but fantastic restoration work. Disappointed at the show last week because the Lancaster was a no show due to over running winter maintenance work, it took to the skies the day after the show. I will have opportunities later in the year though. These were all shot with my A6000, 150-500mm Sigma and the sony adaptor.
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    A few weeks back, it was my turn to attend an airshow. Advertised as the largest in Canada, it is held every other year at the primary fighter airfield in eastern Canada, a couple hundred km north of Quebec City. I was fortunate to get a very good location (front center) from which to picture the multi-day event.

    I brought along my A6000 and a new A6500 with a variety of lenses but it turned out that the lens that saw most of the action was the very "plain" E-mount 55-210mm, mostly at the long end. Close-up duty (static display, some taxiing) was taken care by the Zeiss E 16-70mm.

    The first thing to note is that the 55-210mm is not a fast focusing lens. At least not fast enough to follow a near-Mach 1 fighter during a low-altitude high-speed pass. It did manage to get sharp frames but my success rate was below 50%. I tried to permute body and lens and I think the A6500 does better but only marginally with this lens. I tried manual focusing but focus-by-wire is not precise enough when things move. It feels like focus is slightly affected by the zooming action.

    The good thing about the 55-210mm is that it is small, light and has OSS. It is easy to hand-hold and track a moving object without getting tired. With vintage manual-only lenses, infinity focus (and sharpness) fared better but long (300mm) lenses are much heavier due to all-metal construction and tough to operate with no stabilization (on the A6000; with the A6500 it is ok). Acceptable for a few minutes but anything more requires a tripod/monopod. With the 55-210mm in midday sun, there is plenty of light to set aperture to f/8 (probably the sharpest this lens has to offer) with a faster than 1/500 sec shutter without getting to crazy ISO settings.

    Morale to the story, my next lens to test is probably the FE 70-200 f/4 G OSS. Unfortunate that Sony doesn't have a native fast E-mount 300mm zoom. Would have to try the FE version but various reviews (and no tripod foot) have left me unconvinced.

    I uploaded several images to my Flickr account but here are a few samples...


    F22 Raptor demo (SAIB 2017) on Flickr


    FA18D Super-Hornet demo (SAIB 2017) on Flickr


    CF18 demo (SAIB 2017) on Flickr


    Snowbirds (SAIB 2017) on Flickr


    CF18 taxiing (SAIB 2017) on Flickr

    All those shots were done using the A6500 except the last which was using the A6000. In the end, both camera captured equally good pictures. It's really the optics that makes a difference.

    Cheers,

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    Cracking shots Stef. You should be proud of them

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    Just had a look on your flickr page, did you have to crop any of the pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saint dave View Post
    Just had a look on your flickr page, did you have to crop any of the pics?
    Tight, in-flight shots are cropped, some for subject positioning, most to cut out unwanted sky. This is why I needed a lens with good focus to start with. I think the 55-210mm is reasonably sharp (f/8 - f/11) but focus speed/precision could be better. I am pretty sure that a 70-200mm or 70-300mm "G" lens would be a sharper and faster option but how much so is the unknown in the equation. These jets move fast...

    At some point, super resolution is not necessarily productive because of atmospheric effects. These were hot and humid days so the air becomes a big blurry filter anyway. Planes sitting at the end of the runway were like a "mirage". So for distant subjects, I would go for focus tracking ability before resolution in most cases.

    I have a small and agile 500mm mirror lens from a long time ago. I did not have it with me but I am tempted to try this as well the next time around. Not the sharpest resolution but manual focusing to hyper-focal distance could be interesting. I have been playing with it last week on moving subjects (bicycles, cars, people walking, squirrel in the park, near and far) and when it "hits" the proper focus, the reach is amazing on an APS-C sensor. Would likely not have to crop. A subject for another day...

    Thanks Dave for your reply.

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    Awesome photos Stef and unfortunately the FE 70-300mm Lens is not optimized for high speed sports shooting. It would perform way better than the 55-210mm for sure, but not as good as the FE 70-200mm lenses or recently announced FE 100-400mm lens. Zooming and tracking focus, would be the clear weak point with the FE 70-300mm in my opinion.

    I can see the manual focus option working quite well once you get the distances down with other lenses. I'm not sure how well infinity focus will work mounted with adapters. That tends to be hit or miss depending on the lens and/ or adapter..

    Thanks for sharing and I really want to go to the airshow next year. We just had one near by, but I could not make it unfortunately.

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    Thanks for your feedback Jay. Very valuable since you actually had time on those lenses.

    From what I heard, the 70-200mm f/4 might be a reasonable compromise between size, sharpness, focusing speed and cost. The f/2.8 is just too big and costly I think and the advertised super-bokeh is not really in scope for these kinds of events. I am reading good things about the 100-400mm GM lens. I saw a youtube demo of focusing speed (near-far) and it was eye-opening. I hope the A6500 could drive it effectively. Not so hopeful about the A6000 though but I can keep that camera for the excellent Zeiss 16-70mm.

    When the 100-400mm becomes more readily available, I might try to rent one for a weekend and give it a good workout...

    Cheers,

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    No problem at all Stef, and the A6500 will certainly be able to drive the FE 100-400mm GM lens effectively! Renting it would still be highly recommended though, because the weight and size might not be worth it to you in the end. The 70-200mm f/4 is quite good, but I see many complaints about the sharpness, although I thought it was pretty darn good

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